diff --git a/src/Init/Conv.lean b/src/Init/Conv.lean
index bca97e0c30..73b3ad6789 100644
--- a/src/Init/Conv.lean
+++ b/src/Init/Conv.lean
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ only on the left side of an equality. -/
 declare_syntax_cat conv (behavior := both)
 
 syntax convSeq1Indented := sepBy1IndentSemicolon(conv)
-syntax convSeqBracketed := "{" sepByIndentSemicolon(conv) "}"
+syntax convSeqBracketed := "{" withoutPosition(sepByIndentSemicolon(conv)) "}"
 -- Order is important: a missing `conv` proof should not be parsed as `{ <missing> }`,
 -- automatically closing goals
 syntax convSeq := convSeqBracketed <|> convSeq1Indented
@@ -122,7 +122,8 @@ syntax (name := rewrite) "rewrite" (config)? rwRuleSeq : conv
 
 /-- `simp [thm]` performs simplification using `thm` and marked `@[simp]` lemmas.
 See the `simp` tactic for more information. -/
-syntax (name := simp) "simp" (config)? (discharger)? (&" only")? (" [" (simpStar <|> simpErase <|> simpLemma),* "]")? : conv
+syntax (name := simp) "simp" (config)? (discharger)? (&" only")?
+  (" [" withoutPosition((simpStar <|> simpErase <|> simpLemma),*) "]")? : conv
 
 /--
 `dsimp` is the definitional simplifier in `conv`-mode. It differs from `simp` in that it only
@@ -138,7 +139,8 @@ example (a : Nat): (0 + 0) = a - a := by
     rw [← Nat.sub_self a]
 ```
 -/
-syntax (name := dsimp) "dsimp " (config)? (discharger)? (&"only ")? ("[" (simpErase <|> simpLemma),* "]")? : conv
+syntax (name := dsimp) "dsimp " (config)? (discharger)? (&"only ")?
+  ("[" withoutPosition((simpErase <|> simpLemma),*) "]")? : conv
 
 /-- `simp_match` simplifies match expressions. For example,
 ```
@@ -165,7 +167,7 @@ syntax (name := nestedConv) convSeqBracketed : conv
 
 /-- `(convs)` runs the `convs` in sequence on the current list of targets.
 This is pure grouping with no added effects. -/
-syntax (name := paren) "(" convSeq ")" : conv
+syntax (name := paren) "(" withoutPosition(convSeq) ")" : conv
 
 /-- `rfl` closes one conv goal "trivially", by using reflexivity
 (that is, no rewriting). -/
diff --git a/src/Init/Data/Array/Basic.lean b/src/Init/Data/Array/Basic.lean
index fc9002312d..04093a03cc 100644
--- a/src/Init/Data/Array/Basic.lean
+++ b/src/Init/Data/Array/Basic.lean
@@ -496,7 +496,7 @@ end Array
 
 export Array (mkArray)
 
-syntax "#[" sepBy(term, ", ") "]" : term
+syntax "#[" withoutPosition(sepBy(term, ", ")) "]" : term
 
 macro_rules
   | `(#[ $elems,* ]) => `(List.toArray [ $elems,* ])
diff --git a/src/Init/Data/Array/Subarray.lean b/src/Init/Data/Array/Subarray.lean
index 0143263bd3..5dc905b810 100644
--- a/src/Init/Data/Array/Subarray.lean
+++ b/src/Init/Data/Array/Subarray.lean
@@ -132,9 +132,9 @@ def extract (as : Array α) (start stop : Nat) : Array α :=
 
 instance : Coe (Subarray α) (Array α) := ⟨ofSubarray⟩
 
-syntax:max term noWs "[" term ":" term "]" : term
-syntax:max term noWs "[" term ":" "]" : term
-syntax:max term noWs "[" ":" term "]" : term
+syntax:max term noWs "[" withoutPosition(term ":" term) "]" : term
+syntax:max term noWs "[" withoutPosition(term ":") "]" : term
+syntax:max term noWs "[" withoutPosition(":" term) "]" : term
 
 macro_rules
   | `($a[$start : $stop]) => `(Array.toSubarray $a $start $stop)
diff --git a/src/Init/Data/Range.lean b/src/Init/Data/Range.lean
index c9791906fc..13f71eb3ed 100644
--- a/src/Init/Data/Range.lean
+++ b/src/Init/Data/Range.lean
@@ -62,10 +62,10 @@ instance : ForIn' m Range Nat inferInstance where
 instance : ForM m Range Nat where
   forM := Range.forM
 
-syntax:max "[" ":" term "]" : term
-syntax:max "[" term ":" term "]" : term
-syntax:max "[" ":" term ":" term "]" : term
-syntax:max "[" term ":" term ":" term "]" : term
+syntax:max "[" withoutPosition(":" term) "]" : term
+syntax:max "[" withoutPosition(term ":" term) "]" : term
+syntax:max "[" withoutPosition(":" term ":" term) "]" : term
+syntax:max "[" withoutPosition(term ":" term ":" term) "]" : term
 
 macro_rules
   | `([ : $stop]) => `({ stop := $stop : Range })
diff --git a/src/Init/Notation.lean b/src/Init/Notation.lean
index e337638a22..ccaffbffc6 100644
--- a/src/Init/Notation.lean
+++ b/src/Init/Notation.lean
@@ -424,7 +424,7 @@ macro_rules
   | `($f $args* $ $a) => `($f $args* $a)
   | `($f $ $a) => `($f $a)
 
-@[inherit_doc Subtype] syntax "{ " ident (" : " term)? " // " term " }" : term
+@[inherit_doc Subtype] syntax "{ " withoutPosition(ident (" : " term)? " // " term) " }" : term
 
 macro_rules
   | `({ $x : $type // $p }) => ``(Subtype (fun ($x:ident : $type) => $p))
@@ -448,7 +448,7 @@ which uses let bindings as intermediates as in
 Note that this changes the order of evaluation, although it should not be observable
 unless you use side effecting operations like `dbg_trace`.
 -/
-syntax "[" term,* "]"  : term
+syntax "[" withoutPosition(term,*) "]"  : term
 
 /--
 Auxiliary syntax for implementing `[$elem,*]` list literal syntax.
@@ -456,7 +456,7 @@ The syntax `%[a,b,c|tail]` constructs a value equivalent to `a::b::c::tail`.
 It uses binary partitioning to construct a tree of intermediate let bindings as in
 `let left := [d, e, f]; a :: b :: c :: left` to avoid creating very deep expressions.
 -/
-syntax "%[" term,* "|" term "]" : term
+syntax "%[" withoutPosition(term,* "|" term) "]" : term
 
 namespace Lean
 
diff --git a/src/Init/NotationExtra.lean b/src/Init/NotationExtra.lean
index a2b22f716b..01e15b1ec1 100644
--- a/src/Init/NotationExtra.lean
+++ b/src/Init/NotationExtra.lean
@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ macro "Macro.trace[" id:ident "]" s:interpolatedStr(term) : term =>
 -- Auxiliary parsers and functions for declaring notation with binders
 
 syntax unbracketedExplicitBinders := binderIdent+ (" : " term)?
-syntax bracketedExplicitBinders   := "(" binderIdent+ " : " term ")"
+syntax bracketedExplicitBinders   := "(" withoutPosition(binderIdent+ " : " term) ")"
 syntax explicitBinders            := bracketedExplicitBinders+ <|> unbracketedExplicitBinders
 
 open TSyntax.Compat in
diff --git a/src/Init/Tactics.lean b/src/Init/Tactics.lean
index 3dc30b43c9..70966a3eff 100644
--- a/src/Init/Tactics.lean
+++ b/src/Init/Tactics.lean
@@ -199,7 +199,7 @@ syntax (name := failIfSuccess) "fail_if_success " tacticSeq : tactic
 the goal be closed at the end like `· tacs`. Like `by` itself, the tactics
 can be either separated by newlines or `;`.
 -/
-syntax (name := paren) "(" tacticSeq ")" : tactic
+syntax (name := paren) "(" withoutPosition(tacticSeq) ")" : tactic
 
 /--
 `with_reducible tacs` excutes `tacs` using the reducible transparency setting.
@@ -295,7 +295,7 @@ It synthesizes a value of any target type by typeclass inference.
 macro "infer_instance" : tactic => `(tactic| exact inferInstance)
 
 /-- Optional configuration option for tactics -/
-syntax config := atomic(" (" &"config") " := " term ")"
+syntax config := atomic(" (" &"config") " := " withoutPosition(term) ")"
 
 /-- The `*` location refers to all hypotheses and the goal. -/
 syntax locationWildcard := "*"
@@ -339,7 +339,7 @@ If `thm` is a theorem `a = b`, then as a rewrite rule,
 -/
 syntax rwRule    := ("← " <|> "<- ")? term
 /-- A `rwRuleSeq` is a list of `rwRule` in brackets. -/
-syntax rwRuleSeq := " [" rwRule,*,? "]"
+syntax rwRuleSeq := " [" withoutPosition(rwRule,*,?) "]"
 
 /--
 `rewrite [e]` applies identity `e` as a rewrite rule to the target of the main goal.
@@ -388,7 +388,7 @@ syntax (name := injections) "injections" (colGt (ident <|> hole))* : tactic
 The discharger clause of `simp` and related tactics.
 This is a tactic used to discharge the side conditions on conditional rewrite rules.
 -/
-syntax discharger := atomic(" (" (&"discharger" <|> &"disch")) " := " tacticSeq ")"
+syntax discharger := atomic(" (" (&"discharger" <|> &"disch")) " := " withoutPosition(tacticSeq) ")"
 
 /-- Use this rewrite rule before entering the subterms -/
 syntax simpPre   := "↓"
@@ -426,14 +426,14 @@ non-dependent hypotheses. It has many variants:
   other hypotheses.
 -/
 syntax (name := simp) "simp" (config)? (discharger)? (&" only")?
-  (" [" (simpStar <|> simpErase <|> simpLemma),* "]")? (location)? : tactic
+  (" [" withoutPosition((simpStar <|> simpErase <|> simpLemma),*) "]")? (location)? : tactic
 /--
 `simp_all` is a stronger version of `simp [*] at *` where the hypotheses and target
 are simplified multiple times until no simplication is applicable.
 Only non-dependent propositional hypotheses are considered.
 -/
 syntax (name := simpAll) "simp_all" (config)? (discharger)? (&" only")?
-  (" [" (simpErase <|> simpLemma),* "]")? : tactic
+  (" [" withoutPosition((simpErase <|> simpLemma),*) "]")? : tactic
 
 /--
 The `dsimp` tactic is the definitional simplifier. It is similar to `simp` but only
@@ -441,7 +441,7 @@ applies theorems that hold by reflexivity. Thus, the result is guaranteed to be
 definitionally equal to the input.
 -/
 syntax (name := dsimp) "dsimp" (config)? (discharger)? (&" only")?
-  (" [" (simpErase <|> simpLemma),* "]")? (location)? : tactic
+  (" [" withoutPosition((simpErase <|> simpLemma),*) "]")? (location)? : tactic
 
 /--
 `delta id1 id2 ...` delta-expands the definitions `id1`, `id2`, ....
@@ -789,7 +789,8 @@ It is useful for referring to hypotheses without accessible names.
 `t` may contain holes that are solved by unification with the expected type;
 in particular, `‹_›` is a shortcut for `by assumption`.
 -/
-macro "‹" type:term "›" : term => `((by assumption : $type))
+syntax "‹" withoutPosition(term) "›" : term
+macro_rules | `(‹$type›) => `((by assumption : $type))
 
 /--
 `get_elem_tactic_trivial` is an extensible tactic automatically called
@@ -822,7 +823,9 @@ macro "get_elem_tactic" : tactic =>
    )
 
 @[inherit_doc getElem]
-macro:max x:term noWs "[" i:term "]" : term => `(getElem $x $i (by get_elem_tactic))
+syntax:max term noWs "[" withoutPosition(term) "]" : term
+macro_rules | `($x[$i]) => `(getElem $x $i (by get_elem_tactic))
 
 @[inherit_doc getElem]
-macro x:term noWs "[" i:term "]'" h:term:max : term => `(getElem $x $i $h)
+syntax term noWs "[" withoutPosition(term) "]'" term:max : term
+macro_rules | `($x[$i]'$h) => `(getElem $x $i $h)
diff --git a/src/Lean/Parser/StrInterpolation.lean b/src/Lean/Parser/StrInterpolation.lean
index 8e2077cb66..ad0571e6d9 100644
--- a/src/Lean/Parser/StrInterpolation.lean
+++ b/src/Lean/Parser/StrInterpolation.lean
@@ -54,7 +54,7 @@ partial def interpolatedStrFn (p : ParserFn) : ParserFn := fun c s =>
       parse startPos c s
 
 @[inline] def interpolatedStrNoAntiquot (p : Parser) : Parser := {
-  fn   := interpolatedStrFn p.fn,
+  fn   := interpolatedStrFn (withoutPosition p).fn,
   info := mkAtomicInfo "interpolatedStr"
 }